Loss leaders: June 2008 Archives
-4 Bedrooms/3 Baths/Approx 2,300 Sq/ftNote the very similar style to the other listing in 94502 I wrote about earlier...
-Full Bedroom & Bath Downstairs
-Open Floor Plan with High Ceiling
-Elegent Hardwood Floors/ Updated Kitchen
-4000 Sq/ft Lot (per county records)
-Dual Pane Windows/Spacious Bedrooms
-No HOA Dues or Mello Roos Bonds
-Close to Park, Public Transportation & Shopping

... and the likely distressed status of the sale:
- Sold 12/21/2005: $859,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $10,416
Premium location facing greenbelts and pool. Almost $80k in upgrades (per seller). Granite kitchen counter tops, wood floors, updated baths. Good size tiled patio backyard. Spacious bonus den. Attached garage. Dual pane windows in living rm and bedrms. Must see!
-Spacious 3 Bedroom/2.5 baths plus Family Room & Large Upstairs Bonus Room
-Approx 2,004 Sq/ft Living Area (per county)
-Nestled in an Acre of Landscaping & Just Steps to Pool & Club House
-Attached 2-Car Garage with Work Bench & Storage
-Indoor Laundry Room with Storage Cabinets & Windows
-Mater Bedroom wih Walk-in Closet & Mirrored Closet Doors
-Almost $80k in Upgrades (per seller)
-Mostly Dual Pane Windows, Hardwood Floors, & Custom Paint
-Newly Replaced Doors, Locks & Baseboards
-H.O.A. Fee: $405/mo.(includes Insurance, Maintenance, etc.)No Mello Roos Bonds
-Close to Parks, Public Transportation & Shopping
What with $405 in HOA fees and property taxes, we're looking at $4,000 a month, at the very least, to live in a condo near the airport.

If you subtract $80,000 in upgrades and 6% ($42,000) for the agent's commission, you're looking at a net price of $477,000, which is (surprise!) nowhere near the previous purchase price in 2004:
Last sale and tax info
- Sold 05/14/2004: $518,500
- 2007 Property Tax: $6,829
On a semi-related note, über-bear economist Christopher Thornberg was a guest on today's Forum on KQED radio, and the poor man had the hardest time explaining what really should be obvious: that the real estate and foreclosure crisis is not a consequence of the credit crunch, and that foreclosures are not causing values to drop, but rather that the credit crunch and price drops are the result of the speculative bubble that drove prices too high. Prices are dropping back to where they belong, and we're a long ways away from stabilization. But his main point, which he's been making for years and I agree with, is that the root cause of the problem is that real estate is overpriced and overvalued, and prices are reverting back to more affordable levels (i.e., levels people can actually afford on their salaries). It's taking a while, but we're certainly seeing it happen here.
Update 7/25/08: back on Cragslist as a laconic Ringo Liu post. With a price increase to boot!
$625000 Premium Location facing Greenbelts and Pool! (alameda)
Reply to: toringoliu@aol.com
Date: 2008-07-25, 2:24PM PDT
Almost $80k in upgrades(per seller. Granite kitchen countertops, wood floors, updated baths. Good size tiled patio backyard. Spacious bonus den. Attached garage. Dual pane windows in livingroom & bedrooms! Must See!
NEW LISTING! FiRST TIME OPEN Sat & Sun 7/5&6 2-4pm. MUST SEE this beautiful, bright & cheery Queen Anne cottage with spacious rooms on a HUGE lot! Formal Entry, Living & Dining rooms with original trims, Tall ceilings, Built-ins & Hardwood floors; Very large eat-in kitchen;Laundry;Garage; MUCH MORE!
It's nice and big (though the listing shows exactly 100 sqft more than the public records), with 4 bedrooms and a large lot indeed, and a price to match ($798,000):General Information |
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The lack of a second full bathroom is a bit of a letdown, but then it's hard to expect 2008 comforts in a 133-year-old house. That said, one wonders why the owners are letting go of it just 2 1/2 years after purchasing it:
Assuming a 6% commission and full purchase price, we're looking at a $20K haircut. At $438 / sqft (i.e. essentially a 2006 asking price) I don't see how this one's going to fly.Last sale and tax info
- Sold 11/15/2005: $770,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $9,417
Update 8/17/08: I toured this home today.
It does have a few pluses: fruit trees (lemon, plum) in the huge yard; lincrusta in fabulous condition in the entryway; pretty built-ins, pocket door; beautiful, unpainted original wood trim throughout; additional half-bath in what used to be a utility room on the main floor; lots of light throughout; very large kitchen thankfully devoid of Terminator appliances.
But it also has serious, major minuses: original, uncapped brick foundation; all of the rooms except for the kitchen and dining room are on the small side; old master bath that could use a redo; cheap linoleum floors in several places; visible settling and non-level floors in several rooms; unfinished basement, most of which is only a crawlspace, i.e. getting any use out of the basement is a major, major project which was approved by the Historical Society in March 2007, but never actually implemented:
The project involves raising the height of the single-family residence approximately 8-feet in order to provide additional conditioned habitable floor area on the ground floor.More minuses: front porch isn't original and doesn't match the rest of the home (built in the 1950s, per permit above); old kitchen with ok tile counters in some areas but ugly laminate counter tops in others; old, painted pine plank wood floors in some of the rooms that need refinishing; weird metal banister in the middle of the outside stairs leading up to the house (I guess it'd be easy to take it out).
$798,000? Not on your life.
Update 1/1/09: Sold for $715,000. A nice big loss for the new year. Still way too much considering all the work this property requires, of course, but I get the feeling this is one of the last big (over $700K) sales we'll see for a while given the state of the economy.
That being said, there are still a lot of screwy transactions to pick from. Today's selection is a 1922 "Victorian" on the north end of Saint Charles, listed at $659,000 (MLS (r) #40351721):
Handsome home [...] Great light throughout, roomy 2-story layout, deep lot w/ plenty of off-street parking. [...]There's no photo, just a silly artist's rendering, and I couldn't spot a property that looked like the hand drawing on Google Street View or Live Maps' Bird's Eye View, so this is all we have to work with:
This block of Saint Charles is not one of the most desirable parts of town. It's not as hideous as Clement or Blanding, but it's also nowhere near as nice as most areas 5 blocks or more south of it. Given its location, $413 / sqft is a little steep, but then it appears the owners don't have much of a choice:Last sale and tax info
- Sold 08/15/2005: $690,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $8,598
DescriptionThat's $250 / sqft and a $291,000 (42%) loss since the last sale 3 years ago, not counting any commission paid. Yikes.
24 hrs notice to tenantsshort sale [...] Please do not disturb occupants, showing by appointment only.
Price dropped from $659,000 to $475,000 in late July
Price dropped from $475,000 to $399,000 in mid August (thanks Mark94502 for pointing this out)
Update 12/11/08: Back on the market as MLS(r) #40384740, listed at $457,000. Zillow shows no transaction since the last listing, and the property description is essentially unchanged (including the "short sale" note), so it's the same listing, as opposed to a flip after a quick sale last summer. Why the owners think they'll have more luck selling during the holidays, in this economy, for $58,000 more than they failed to sell last summer, is anybody's guess.
24 hrs notice to tenantsShort Sale Handsome home [...] Great light throughout, roomy 2-story layout, deep lot w/ plenty of off-street parking. Please do not disturb occupants, showing by appointment only.
Lovely, light-filled Fernside Colonial Revival with bay windows in LR/DR; decorative fireplace; built-ins; sunny kitchen w/ss appl.; hardwood floors, study; plus room w/dormer; huge bsmt. Plus room & attic not incl. in sq.ft. Sewer lateral replaced. 2004 roof. Historic list.
On the face of it, it's very pretty, large, in good shape, and located in a popular part of town:
1607 HIGH STREET, Alameda, CA 94501
| Beds: | 3 | Type: | SFR | Sq. Ft.: | 1,835 | Lot Size: | 4,720 Sq. Ft. | MLS #: | 40351239 |
| Baths: | 2/0 | Built: | 1898 | $/Sq.Ft.: | $490 | List Date: | 06/23/08 | On Market: | 0 day |
It's on the market at $899,000, which is high but sadly in line with what East End homes have been listed for. But what puzzles me is this:Sales History
First of all, the owner has owned it for 10 months. Second, s/he is listing it for quite a bit less than s/he paid for it. Third, the previous owner only owned it for 15 months, yet sold it for a huge premium. Fourth, even though Zillow already has public record information for that recent transaction, the seller went to the trouble of providing the date and price of a purchase they have every reason not to be particularly proud of.
Sale History & Tax Info Sale History 07/03/2007: $940,000 ** 07/03/2007: $940,000 04/11/2006: $720,000 12/24/1996: $70,000 * Show all sale history See less sale history * Transaction not included in Zestimate. ** Transaction provided by seller
So, what gives?
Update 9/18/08: Sold for $855,000.
Surprise, it looks like another one of those bought-near-the-peak-let's-get-out-of-our-loan sales:Public Facts:
- Single family
- 3 beds
- 2.0 bath
- 2,225 sqft
- Lot 5,600 sqft
- Built in 1887
My guess is an asking price of $959,000. Let's see what happens.Last sale and tax info
- Sold 10/21/2005: $899,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $10,944
Update 6/19/08: Was I ever wrong. Listed at $799,000 today (MLS #40350649). But it's a short sale, so I wasn't really wrong...
Stately 3 bedroom, 2 bath Eastlake Victorian-era home. Formal Dining Room, Parlor and New Kitchen. Perimeter Foundation replaced in 1994. New Roof installed in 2007. Plenty of original detailing. The property does need new paint & TLC.Update 6/22/08: By all accounts, the house needs a LOT of TLC.
Update 9/18/08: Some idiot paid $705,000.
Update 10/10/08: I finally found an account of what caused some of the damage this property suffered:
Structure Fire on Santa Clara AvenueDecember, 2006On December 11, 2006 at 7:26 p.m., the Alameda Fire Department responded to a reported structure fire in a three-story Victorian residential home at 1410 Santa Clara Avenue. It was upgraded to a 2nd alarm with a total of four engines, two ladder trucks, three ambulances and two Chief Officers responding.
Upon arrival, crews found smoke showing from the attic. Further investigation uncovered fire traveling within the interior walls of the second story, up into the attic and spreading to the exterior rear eaves of the structure. The occupants were confirmed to be clear of the structure. The fire companies simultaneously attacked the fire, ventilated the building and controlled the utilities. The interior fire was quickly knocked down by AFD crews, followed by salvage of the interior contents and overhaul of the second and third floors to confirm full extinguishment of the resident’s property. Loose, blown-in insulation from the attic space contributed to the interior structure damage during the overhaul operation.
The initial damage assessment is estimated for $75,000 to the structure and $20,000 for the contents. Fire Captain Michael DeGrano assisted AFD Crews with the fire investigation to determine the cause and origin of the fire. There were no firefighter or civilian injuries reported. Both occupants from the residence were displaced and arranged to stay with the next-door neighbor.
The Alameda Police Department assisted with traffic control. Alameda Power & Telecom responded to the scene for assistance with the utilities. Oakland Fire Department provided two engines, one ladder truck and a Battalion Chief for coverage at Stations One and Two.
Beautiful house built in 2006 in planned neighbourhood. Bull nose corners, cove ceilings.Upgraded maple cabinetry.Tile floors in entry and kitchen, french doors, Balcony with french doors.Custom interior paint.Pre-wired - surround sound, gas fireplace insert, plantation shutters,Flagstone patio.There's no photo in the MLS, but Zillow's aerial photos come to the rescue:
I love huge houses on brand new tracts that still manage to be essentially glued to the neighboring structures.This house and its cousin have different listing agents, but the silly pricing strategy (1 dollar under the next round number), comparable price per square foot ($336 v. $320), shared location and recent sale histories make me suspect a series of transactions gone sour. Behold:
In plain English, that spells "oops."Last sale and tax info
- Sold 09/07/2006: $879,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $11,755
Update 10/31/08: Spooky price drop to $649,999. The drop history picked up in October: $150,000 and still no bites? $230,000 drop since last sale? That's epic.
09/08: $799,999 to $774,999Update 11/22/08: Short sale, per Zip Realty.
10/03: $774,999 to $749,999
10/15: $749,999 to $699,999
10/30: $699,999 to $649,999
Update 3/23/09: Still on the market, dropped to $625,000 about 6 weeks ago.
Update 9/5/09: Sold for $635,000 in April. 28% off.
Beautiful three year young home. 4bedrooms, 3 bathhs and an office downstairs!Lots of upgrades. custom tiled foyer, custom draperies. gourment kitchen , island with custom granite countertop, stainless steel appliances, and custom cabinets. professional landscaped backyard. Tons of upgrades.That sounds really nice. The outside, however, remains a mystery, and there are only pictures of the interior, such as this:
The asking price is $899,999, which seems low enough considering the house is 2805 sqft (i.e. $320 / sqft), although the whole 1-dollar-below-$900K is silly and cuts out buyers who search for homes starting at $900K, but agents never learn, and besides there can't be that many folks in Alameda whose starting price is $900K. But the best part is the home's sale history:Assuming 20% down and a 7% fixed-rate mortgage for $720,000, we're talking about $4,800 a month in mortgage + $1,000 in property tax, $119 for your friendly neighborhood HOA, and another $750 for maintenance (1% of the home price), i.e. $6,869 a month just to service your house. This means your buyers need to have a gross income of $247,000 a year (based on gross income = 3x housing costs). Given these census facts, your pool of buyers is somewhat limited, even before you consider how hard it is to get financing these days. Good luck (not).Last sale and tax info
- Sold 11/14/2006: $925,500
- 2007 Property Tax: $12,274
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Households |
25,078 |
100.0 |
Less than $10,000 |
1,586 |
6.3 |
$10,000 to $14,999 |
1,072 |
4.3 |
$15,000 to $24,999 |
2,464 |
9.8 |
$25,000 to $34,999 |
2,986 |
11.9 |
$35,000 to $49,999 |
3,800 |
15.2 |
$50,000 to $74,999 |
5,244 |
20.9 |
$75,000 to $99,999 |
3,349 |
13.4 |
$100,000 to $149,999 |
2,977 |
11.9 |
$150,000 to $199,999 |
907 |
3.6 |
$200,000 or more |
693 |
2.8 |
Median household income (dollars) |
51,896 |
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Update 9/7/08: Back/still on the market as MLS(r) #40367782 for $839,999.
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WONDERFUL RANCH STYLE HOME,COZY LIVING ROOM W/FIREPLACE,GOURMET KITCHEN W/BREAKFAST NOOK,SPACIOUS BEDROOMS,PRIVATE BACKYARD WITH PATIO,CLOSE TO SCHOOLS,PARKS,AND SHOPPING

The funny-looking price suggests a bank sale, and sure enough:
Interesting how the not-included-in-Zestimate $519,164 looks a lot like 80% of $620,000, aka the 80 part of an 80/20 financing scheme. I wonder if there was ever a group of lenders that overwhelmingly specialized in the 20 part, for the juicier interest rates on them cute little piggyback loans. If so, they must be doing spectacularly well these days, seeing as the main lender gets first dibs when a repossessed home sells, and repossessed homes seem to be hitting the market at around 80% of the previous sale price.
Sale History 01/17/2008: $519,164 * 10/28/2005: $620,000 08/24/2000: $337,500 07/11/1997: $170,000
Update 10/5/08: Sold for $466,500.
Spacious 3 bedrooms, 2 full baths East-end single level rancher. Rear bedrooms each have decks and access to secluded rear yard. Long driveway, detached garage, and gardening shed. Hardwood floors, upgraded master bath, fireplace, and steps away from San Leandro Bay shoreline.I knew this "new" listing looked familiar: a little digging on Zillow reveals the old MLS ID and the following picture:
What didn't look familiar was the new price, which seems a little low considering how large the property is (1,489 sqft). This is what I remembered:
If $185,000 goes up in smoke and no one's there to miss it, does it have a smell?Last sale and tax info
- Sold 09/15/2005: $750,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $9,193
Update 6/24/08: This property is now on craigslist with the following copy:
Sorry, unrepresented principals only (without an agent)!!!If not a fixer and not a short-sale, then what is it? A pump-and-dump in reverse?
Previously sold for $750,000 in 2005!!! This is not a fixer, not a short-sale!
Great location near Fernside, East Shore. Walk one block to the water!
Two back bedrooms (one master) leads out to back porch deck to yard.
Built 1953
Square footage approximately 1489
Detached garage for 2 S/S. Contact agent 510-373-3228
Update 10/5/08: Sold for $576,000, $174,000 less than its previous price in 2005 (23%).
FIRST TIME OPEN! SAT&SUN 6/14-15 2-4pm. Amazing wood & beautiful built-in cabinetry in this terrific Craftsman bungalow with 2+ bedrooms & 2 baths (bed/bath on main level; Master Suite on Upper Level). Formal Entry, Living & Dining Rooms w/Hardwood Floors & period details. Fireplace; Detached garage
At 1,437 square feet, and what seems like a larger (or improved) interior space, its neighbor is not exactly a comp, but the lots appear to be identical:| Property Information | |
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| Street Number: | 3240 |
| Street: | Sterling Ave |
| City: | Alameda |
| Zip Code: | 94501 |
| Beds: | 2 |
| Baths: | 1 |
| Year built: | 1920 |
| Sqft: | 1,194 |
| Lot Size: | 3,422 |
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| Street Number: | 3247 |
| Street: | Sterling Ave |
| City: | Alameda |
| Zip Code: | 94501 |
| Beds: | 2 |
| Baths: | 1 |
| Year built: | 1918 |
| Sqft: | 1,437 |
| Lot Size: | 3,422 |
What's more interesting is that unlike its neighbor at 3240, today's listing is starting at $608,000, below its previous purchase price. Perhaps the owners took note of their neighbor's tribulations and price drops and decided to spare themselves the trouble?
| Sales History | |
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| Historical home sale price (1): | $629,000 |
| Prior sale date: | Jul 31, 2006 |
| Historical home sale price (2): | $475,000 |
| Prior sale date: | Jun 18, 2003 |
| Change since this sale (2): | +32% |
| Historical home sale price (3): | $104,000 |
| Prior sale date: | Nov 10, 1998 |
| Change since this sale (3): | +505% |
Update 6/22/08: Price dropped to $594,000 this week.
Update 8/29/08: Sold for $582,500 in late July, 2008. That's $46,500 (7%) off the 2006 sale price, not counting agent commissions.
Zoned for 2-4 single family. Build to duplex. Huge yard. Awesome potential.
The yard is indeed really big (5,200-sqft lot per public records), and the potential for extra construction must be irresistible: whoever buys this now will be the second owner in just 14 months to try their hand at real estate mogulery.Update 9/17/08: Dropped to $489,900 and described as "bank owned" in the MLS(r) listing. Whee.
With all the financial institutions getting gobbled up by the government these days, when a house goes back to the bank, does it mean you and I own a tiny little piece of it if (when) that bank gets bought/swallowed/rescued/bailed out/etc?
Your tax dollars at work.(map)
Update 10/12/08: Dropped to $464,900 a couple of days ago.
Today's first victim is a small duplex on Eagle (MLS #40347917) that "needs work" but is listed considerably below any other comparable property currently for sale, at $349,000:General Information |
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Great Income property or Owner user at convenient location. Walk to Park St. shops and rest. Separate elect. and gas meters. Two separate storage sheds. Presently occupied by tenants (rent by room). Property needs work as reflected in price. Parking in backyard thru easement. Hurry!!! | ||||||||||||||||||
Sure, the location itself is subprime, right in the middle of car shop and used car dealership country, but at least the price is somewhat reasonable. Except, of course, if you're the seller and remember this:
Last sale and tax info
- Sold 04/12/2004: $478,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $6,450
So let's be generous again and assume you can break even with $6,000 in rental income per month, or $1,500 per unit. Given the rental comps (in 2005, you could get a nice 1,000+ sqft townhouse by the beach with a pool and various other amenities for under $1,500), each one of your units would have to be a 1,000-sqft 2-br 1-ba or better, each with a parking space. So we're talking about a 4,000-sqft Victorian mansionette in good condition with a big lot to accommodate the parking situation.
Right?
Not quite (MLS #40347587). 4 units (3x 1-bedroom, 1x 2-bedroom), 2,345 sqft, $749,000
Sure, it's pretty, but not by the beach, and smaller than our comp-based projection by about a third.
[...] Victorian fourlex [...] in good shape [...] concrete foundation added in 1993. All units are currently rented. There is one attached garage.
Where did I get the $730,000 from?You can get a calculator for $1 at the dollar store, and anyone with an 8th grade education can do the math above. Why not avail yourself of that before you put yourself on the hook for three quarters of a million dollars?Last sale and tax info
- Sold 08/03/2005: $730,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $9,722
Update 8/8/08: Dropped to $719,000.
$719000 Fully rented Four Unit Building in the Heart of Alameda (alameda) (map)
Reply to: hous-788639691@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-08-08, 12:48PM PDT
Mark Playsted | Harbor Bay Realty | 510-917-8072
919 Central Avenue, Alameda, CA Victorian Conversion Fourplex ideally situated in the heart of Alameda
Update 9/16/08: Dropped to $699,000. Projected income is a measly $42,900, almost $30K below my estimate earlier.
Update 9/24/08: Dropped another $1,000 to $698,000.
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Georgeous Fernside Home. Oversized living room, formal dining room, hardwood floors and tons of charm. Office with wood detail. Bright kitchen with upgraded appliances & breakfast bar. Cozy family room off kitchen. Master suite with library & balcony. Master bath & sauna. HUGE & lovely yard!Fancy neighborhood (although I personally find the Fernside area boring and Stepford-Wives-creepy), big house (2,326 sqft), respectable lot (4,800 sqft), decent looks:
But a comp killer this ain't: it just came on the market at the coy price point of $969,000, just enough under $1M to look as though the sellers are making an effort. But they're not fooling anybody:Even with 0% commission from friendly agents, the property tax, moving and transaction-related fees will eat up the $9,000 premium over the previous purchase price. And that's assuming they get their wishing price, which given the current market conditions is a long shot.
Sale History 10/14/2005: $960,000 11/18/1998: $488,000 No other sale data is available
- 2007 Property Tax: $11,550
Just for chucks, the Zestimate is around $830,000 as of this writing.
Update 7/16/08: Apparently sold for $975,000. What is so great about Fernside!??
Cute house in great location. Lots of style. Close to everything. Dual pane windows, fireplace, newer granite kitchen with SS appliances, updated bathrooms, loads of upgrades. Extra parking in the driveway. Front porch to enjoy the evenings.It's small (895 square feet), not in the best location but not the worst either (2312 Eagle Avenue), but it's not a fixer: it's got Nazi appliances, updates and upgrades. And it's cute enough:
Current comps have been priced in the $500Ks. But this home just came on the market at $404,900. Not $504,900. $404,900. One can only hope this is a sign of a return to more reasonable prices. Of course, at $452 / sqft, that's still too much money, but it's still considerably less than what we're used to around here, and might well be the first comp killer to appear for a while, and summer hasn't even begun.The sale history suggests a lot of distress, but at least whoever currently owns the home is sensible enough to try to get it off their books asap:
Sale History 12/28/2007: $495,000 * 01/26/2007: $580,000 06/21/2006: $415,000 * No other sale data is available * Transaction not included in Zestimate. More info
One presumes this is used by sellers tryinto justify their asking price when the plain old Zestimate is too low for their taste (or the amount they owe), and sure enough this pretty Victorian (MLS #40346792) that just came on the market has a big fat custom owner's estimate:
Great central alameda home with extensive renovations almost complete. 3 bedrooms, 1 bath upstairs along with formal dining room, eat-in kitchen and living room. Build-out of lower level underway with 6 more rooms, including bath and laundry room. New foundation. Open sunday
Note the "extensive renovations [are] almost complete," which might be code for "gosh, we ran out of HELOC money, let's get outta here." This house is listed at $739,000, right around the current Zestimate, but quite a bit less than the owner's estimate. What a deal!

Last sale and tax info
- Sold 08/17/2005: $700,000
- 2007 Property Tax: $8,647
Update 7/27/08: Price dropped twice in the past month. I am quite pleased to announce this flip is now underwater.
ZipRealty Price Track
Update 12/23/09: It's back!
Price Reduced: 07/11/08 -- $739,000 to $719,000
Price Reduced: 07/17/08 -- $719,000 to $699,900
On Market: 55 days

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